kidsmoke Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Great death/burial scene though. Yeah, that whole part was very moving. I loved that Harry worked out some of his anguish in hand-digging Dobby's grave. I had really feared that this last book, and the act of making all the events of the others make sense and tie together, would prove too much for Rowling, and the final book would be trite and too simply summarized. I didn't give her enough credit! What a great book it turned out to be! Very satisfying. I'm waiting now for Tom to read it, just so we can talk about all the terrific scenes. He and I have been fans from the beginning. Molly Weasley is great against Bellatrix! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 Molly Weasley is great against Bellatrix!Yeah, that was a very bittersweet moment. I don't think we'd ever seen Molly really mix it up before, but Fred was already dead at that point, and when she saw that Ginny was up against Bellatrix, it was definitely her time to kick ass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Yeah, that was a very bittersweet moment. I don't think we'd ever seen Molly really mix it up before, but Fred was already dead at that point, and when she saw that Ginny was up against Bellatrix, it was definitely her time to kick ass. Don't mess with a mother lionness. The loss of Fred still boggles my mind.....poor George. It's amazing how real these characters have become to me. They don't seem fictional in the least. It's like they always existed and Rowling just got to be the one to pull them down out of the ether. I loved the "Nineteen Years Later" chapter. Especially as I wasn't quite ready yet for the book to end. I think I read the final sentence about 8 times, stretching out the close before I finally sighed and realized it really was finished. Now to re-read all of them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 The loss of Fred still boggles my mind.....poor George. Exactly. They are my 10-year old niece's favorite characters. She's away at camp this week, so she won't even start reading until this Sunday, but I don't think it's going to be pretty when she gets there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcroach Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Great death/burial scene though. I agree. The best scenes in the book. I couldn't put it down. My wife's been really annoyed with me the last few days. I hated the epilogue, though. Too neat, tidy and for the "hard core fans." I like my ending a little more ambiguous. And great avatar, Sir Stewart. Bono doesn't get enough love around here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SarahC Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Don't mess with a mother lionness. The loss of Fred still boggles my mind.....poor George. It's amazing how real these characters have become to me. They don't seem fictional in the least. It's like they always existed and Rowling just got to be the one to pull them down out of the ether. I loved the "Nineteen Years Later" chapter. Especially as I wasn't quite ready yet for the book to end. I think I read the final sentence about 8 times, stretching out the close before I finally sighed and realized it really was finished. Now to re-read all of them! Indeed, when molly did that i was like "you go girl!" and woke the dog up... . I throughly enjoyed the book, now Becca gets to read it, although a kid at band camp ruined the ending for her... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 So, why was Draco the rightful owner of the Elder Wand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 Yeah, I was iffy on that one, too... Edit: OK, I had to go look this up on a HP message board. Draco was master of the Elder Wand because he disarmed Dumbledore when Dumbledore was using it (just before Snape kills him). Yes, now I remember that. But then, was Draco using that wand when Harry disarmed him? No, he couldn't have been, because Voldemort had it. So if Harry just happened to disarm the master of the Elder Wand, at a time when he wasn't using the wand, that still makes him the wand's master? Yep, still iffy. (And for anyone who's wondering, yes, the more I type this, the geekier I'm feeling!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 yeah i wasn't a huge fan of that but i guess the rule is that you lose ownership if you get disarmed at all, regardless of what want you are holding. Which seems silly. I guess the Elder Wand wants someone really bad ass, and anyone who gets disarmed at all is a pussy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Preferred B Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I guess the Elder Wand wants someone really bad ass, and anyone who gets disarmed at all is a pussy. Hee hee. Admittedly I need to go back and read a bunch of this before I can pretend to have any clear idea of the reasoning behind a lot of stuff that happened at the end of the book. But what do you mean, Voldemort had the Elder Wand when Harry disarmed Draco? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Hee hee. Admittedly I need to go back and read a bunch of this before I can pretend to have any clear idea of the reasoning behind a lot of stuff that happened at the end of the book. But what do you mean, Voldemort had the Elder Wand when Harry disarmed Draco? I guess it doesn't matter who is actually holding the wand at all, just who is the master. So Grundlewald (or however its spelled) has the wand. Dumbledore beats him in a duel, so Dumbledore is the new master. Draco beats/disarms dumbledore before he is killed, and immediately becomes the new master. (Thus Snape and Voldemort are never masters) Harry disarms Draco, and then he becomes master. It doesn't matter if the master is holding the wand, it just matters if he gets beat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 Admittedly I need to go back and read a bunch of this before I can pretend to have any clear idea of the reasoning behind a lot of stuff that happened at the end of the book. But what do you mean, Voldemort had the Elder Wand when Harry disarmed Draco?Voldemort was in physical possession of the wand, but he never actually disarmed Dumbledore for it, so he was never the wand's master. But then when he's dueling Harry, Harry says that they'll know who is the master of the wand by how it reacts (or something like that); Voldemort is dueling Harry with the Elder Wand, assuming that he is it's master. But Harry is the wand's real master (since he disarmed Draco), so it flies out of Voldemort's hand and lands in Harry's. Is that right? Yeah, I definitely lost track of some of that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 OK, I no longer feel so geeky (well, except for the fact that I actually went looking for this information ): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathly_Hallo...cts)#Elder_Wand This is what I love most about the internet: not the instantaneous access to any nonsense you could ever think to look for (although that's pretty damn good), but that there is always someone out there who is actually geekier, or more obsessive, or more whatever, than I am. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 The more I read it, the more I wish I was a wizard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 So since we are allowed to type spoilers in this thread, in book 8... 1.) Draco's kid picks up the resurrection stone and brings Voldemort back 2.) Harry's balls, not Harry himself, were the horcrux, and now his kids are all possessed by Voldemort because of where they came from. 3.) Dumbledore created a bunch of horcruxes to ensure he could be brought back to stop Voldemort, including the 3 deathly hallows (which he had access to), the light-putter-outer, the childrens book of Fairy Tales that Hermoine got, the Sword of Gryffindor, and Faux. Sorry for ruining it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pnêyu Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I clung to the belief that Dumbledore had not actually died, that it was a ruse between him and Snape. Does anyone else think that it sounds like James Potter was a total dick when he was in school, though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 Sorry for ruining it. [quote name='pn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 [quote name='pn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Yes, but lucky he got what was coming to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Preferred B Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 OK, I no longer feel so geeky (well, except for the fact that I actually went looking for this information ): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathly_Hallo...cts)#Elder_Wand This is what I love most about the internet: not the instantaneous access to any nonsense you could ever think to look for (although that's pretty damn good), but that there is always someone out there who is actually geekier, or more obsessive, or more whatever, than I am. Wow! I also have to add that every time I read the word "Fiendfyre" I feel slightly geekier than I did before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Har har Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 J.K. Rowling spills the beans on what else happened 19 years later that didn't make the cut A few of the more concrete tidbits: "As for his occupation, Harry, along with Ron, is working at the Auror Department at the Ministry of Magic. After all these years, Harry is now the department head" "Meanwhile, Hermione, Ron’s wife, is “pretty high up” in the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, despite laughing at the idea of becoming a lawyer in “Deathly Hallows.”" I would have thought that there was better money in sports for one of the most gifted seekers Hogwarts has ever seen, but...oh well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elixir Sue Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 OK, I no longer feel so geeky (well, except for the fact that I actually went looking for this information ): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathly_Hallo...cts)#Elder_Wand This is what I love most about the internet: not the instantaneous access to any nonsense you could ever think to look for (although that's pretty damn good), but that there is always someone out there who is actually geekier, or more obsessive, or more whatever, than I am.Huh. I was thinking that Draco had kept Dumbledore's wand (the Elder Wand) after disarming him, and Dumbledore was buried with a decoy wand, which Voldemort mistakenly thought was the Elder Wand. I guess it makes sense that the wand's allegiance stays with the "disarmer"...the wand chooses the wizard. Add me to the list of huge geeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 GEEKS RULE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 What happened to the phoenix?what side were the spiders on?how freaking queer was that ending, all tied up in a neat little package of love? I guess we're to assume Luna and Neville are married? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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